The funeral of Margaret Thatcher will take place tomorrow. In her lifetime, as Prime Minister, she managed to divide the country. People with firm opinions and uncompromising stances usually do encourage strong views one way or the other. Since she won three consecutive elections and is still Britain's longest serving Prime Minister for over 100 years, those divisions clearly did not split the country into two equal parts, but the minority that opposed her of course became the most vociferous and violent.
The same will no doubt be the case during her funeral tomorrow. There are those who still hate her and will go out of their way to show it tomorrow. But those that make the loudest noise, as ever, will not necessarily be right. Maybe they are incapable of rational argument or perhaps after all this time (Thatcher resigned in 1990) their ineffectual resentment has still not evaporated or maybe they are just hateful, but demonstrating at a funeral will not endear them to anyone, nor elicit support for their views. Any violence will no doubt be condemned by all political parties. So such protesters will simply be dismissed as outside normal society.
But a separate debate has arisen which is much more interesting, and important, than whether you still like or dislike Thatcher. The police have said that, in policing the funeral, they are determined not to prevent freedom of speech. In this country, I'm pleased to say, dissent is allowed, even in public. But what is the limit of that dissent? To what extent is freedom of speech, or freedom of expression, or freedom of movement, restricted by public order legislation?
I am quite firm that freedom of speech should be permitted unconditionally. At any time, in any place. If someone wishes to stand up in church and say that religion is poppycock, that's fine by me. If they want to shout tomorrow that Thatcher was an evil woman, that's OK too. But they can't expect that theirs will be the only view expressed. And this is where demonstrations can run into legal difficulties. Holding up a banner is fine. Chanting what's on the banner is also fine. But when have you seen two opposing groups of demonstrators simply standing together chanting their opposing views? When one group seems to be chanting louder, insults will be bandied, jostling will begin and one group will no doubt soon physically attack the other. So where does the public order offence begin - when the chanting starts? When the chanting takes on an aggressive tone? When physical contact occurs? When the fighting starts? And which group committed the public order offence?
We can easily accept that a public order offence may have occurred when we hear a Muslim cleric preaching against the West. But what of a group dishonouring Margaret Thatcher and preaching against her? At what stage does freedom of speech spill over into an illegal act? A public order offence may well have occurred if a milk bottle is thrown at her coffin. But what if just the milk is thrown? Or what about holding up a placard covered in hate filled words and chanting hatred against her? Is this incitement to violence? Or maybe it's libel, legally punishable defamation? But at what stage would you be inhibiting a person's freedom of speech - when you take away their placard or when you move them along or when you arrest them?
There have been attempts to quantify freedom of speech for the purposes of demonstrating tomorrow. As usual it all sounds silly. It's a bit like a contract for behaviour on a date. This is OK, but that isn't. In the end, it will depend on the personal judgement of one police officer. And I suspect it will not be placards or chanting or turning one's back or singing, 'Ding dong - the Queen is dead' or even throwing milk that leads to arrest.
I sincerely hope violence doesn't arise. And, on the other hand, I hope too that the police will get it right. If many are arrested, far from turning in her grave, I suspect that Thatcher will be smiling. She had no time for trouble makers then and would certainly not have now.
So, even in death she arouses strong views. But, in the debate over freedoms in British society and the rights of the individual, I think I know where she would have drawn her uncompromising line.
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Tuesday, 16 April 2013
Tuesday, 7 August 2012
PEER PRESSURE
Reform of the House of Lords, our second parliamentary chamber, has been under discussion again recently. It
was, despite some reaction from politicians, included in The Queen’s
speech, the traditional announcement of the forthcoming legislative
programme. The question on many
people’s lips, or at least in their minds, is why is the government
bothering about such almost arcane, certainly controversial, matters,
when the economy is foundering, businesses are going bust and so many
people are out of work?
I doubt any reforms will go as far as making any proportion of the chamber elected. It
looks unlikely that all-party agreement (which is essential to any
parliamentary reform) will be forthcoming to such a radical change. But all parties do now seem to agree that there are too many members in The Lords. So I guess some limiting figure will be put on the ideal size of a second chamber. But maybe nothing else will be done at the moment. How important is this?
The
original system provided for a chamber of hereditary Lords and Royals,
the aristocracy in other words, the landed gentry, and Bishops. It worked. It
was a group of people, admittedly a group designated entirely by
privilege, but a group who had no particular tie to a political party
(you could argue that there were a disproportionate number of Tory
sympathisers, given their vested interest in land, money and capitalism,
but there were also Socialist landowners), and who could be relied upon
to be sensible, learned in many cases, and even-handed. They
provided a reasonable check to the unfettered politicking and
power-broking of the Lower House, where nominally constituents were
supposed to be the prime consideration, but where (as often now too)
personal interests and lack of interest in the common good were rife. Despite its many flaws, I think it was a rather good system.
More
recently, Life Peers, those made Lords by The Queen at the behest of
the Prime Minister, have multiplied to outnumber the Hereditary Peers. I
don’t think Royals are now listed as Members, so presumably only those
that are also hereditary peers with their own land are on the list. Anyway,
it has now become the norm for Prime Ministers, particularly after
being newly elected, to nominate a number of new peers, in order to
‘right the balance’ of the political parties represented in The Lords. There are 25 Bishops and 90 Hereditary Peers, which would once have been the total size of the Second Chamber. But there are now also 231 Labour, 166 Conservative and 86 Liberal Democrat Life Peers. This is clearly ridiculous. There are only 650 MPs, but currently, there are 818 members of the House of Lords. So,
far from being a mini-version of the House of Commons, which is what it
might be with just a few ennobled members from each party, it has in
fact grown cumbersome and almost meaningless as an impartial reviewing
body.
You
will probably gather from the above figures that The Lords contains
members of other political parties (30) and some 154 non-party members. Wouldn’t
it be a great second house if there were no party affiliated members
and only the 270-odd unaffiliated Peers, Hereditary Peers and Bishops. I think that could work too.
But, needless to say, people still think of the Lords as a privileged anachronism and call for an elected body. I can see the simplistic thinking here. Elections to a second chamber would remove those who are only there by right and not by dint of competence. But the trouble is, we would still have to find a means of selecting the candidates. What would they offer? What would they promise? Would they have a political agenda and just replace the current crop of political cronies? Or would they have an independent agenda? Could there be such a thing without a Party? Perhaps
they would be prominent or wealthy members of society and just replace
the Hereditary Peers as a sort of nouveau riche peerage. They could then use their wealth to campaign on the basis of their achievements and capabilities. Or perhaps they would have unofficial constituencies and promise action in their local areas. But would they, without some form of affiliation, be able to deliver on any promise? And the fact remains, that all this would just add to the annual political diary. Do
we really want yet more politicking and electioneering and more
political expenditure on top of the local elections and General
Election? I wouldn’t want to see it anyway.
But there are alternatives. I quite like, as I have made clear, the appointment of an unelected chamber by virtue of competence or apparent fair-mindedness. Why don’t we replace the political Peers with groups of such proved ability? A
few successful company directors, say, or surgeons, or dentists, or
magistrates, or academics of certain disciplines, such as law, or others
(can’t think of any more for the moment, except estate agents or
bankers, which most people would probably find unacceptable) who have
achieved on the basis of expertise or widely-accepted talents. This would certainly bring The Lords up to date and ought to give us a chamber capable of serving the intended purpose.
But we come back to the question – why is the Prime Minster worrying about this now? It is not I suspect because he is concerned about any lack of competence in the House, but much more about its composition. He
would normally be thinking now about Tory party members who might be
elevated to The Lords; his party members are after all outnumbered by
Labour members by about 20 (if you include hereditary peer party
members). But this is not a
Conservative Government, it is a Coalition, which means that there would
also be Liberal Democrat nominations, who, once the Coalition comes to
an end, would become opposition to the Conservatives. Cameron
would have to appoint over 100 new Conservative peers to ensure he
maintained some sort of superiority over opposition parties. And that’s not including the 200 odd independents and minor parties. Yes,
this seems like a good time to stop this nonsense, to put a cap on the
numbers and to try to maintain some sort of position of power, the
existing balane at least, within the second chamber.
But reactions to the proposed legislation so far have been pretty muted, if not apathetic. Clearly my idea of a chamber of dentists and estate agents should be included in the discussion to elicit more animated debate.
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